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 Post subject: Bun gasit ... ref puncte arabice
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:12 am 

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Buna ziua si bun gasit tuturor
ma numesc Alin sunt nascut in 03.mai 1972 in Constanta si v-am descoperit recent
imi plac discutiile( le citesc in limita timpului) pe teme de astrologie, numerologie si alte stiinte ...
incerc sa mai prind cate ceva din astrologie..dar ...sunt un "bebelus" in comparatie cu multi dintre cei de aici....
am o nelamurire referitor la punctele arabice..
ce influenta si ce insemnatate au ptr o persoana?
programele le calculeaza(de ex. astrolog 32) dar nu stiu (nu am studiat- ptr ca nu am timp si sunt un pic mai "lenes" in privinta studiului), insematatea lor..
spre exemplu se calculeaza punctele arabice ptr momentul nasterii...dar ce influenta si ce insemnatate au ptr pers respectiva..?
iau ca ex cazul meu:
Alin B. nascut 03.mai.1972 ora 22.20(aproximativ) Constanta - miercuri
Taur /As. saget - (sobolan apa H. Chinez)
Ex calcul cateva p arabice :
punctul accident este plasat(calculat) dupa h natala ca fiind 23'13" in Taur Casa 5 -...
punctul casatoriei 10'59" capricorn casa 1...
pct norocului (Pars Fortuna) 22'57" berbec -casa 4 ...
nu stiu ce inseamna..cum sa interpretez aceste pozitii (si altele) sau unde pot gasi interpretari ref. la aceste pozitii (ideal in lb romana ptr ca nu am cunostinte de lb starine prea bune) o sugestie, un ajutor, imi puteti oferi?
multumesc,
cu deosebit respect
Alin



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Cel mai rapid de gasit cate ceva despre unele puncte arabice ar fi aici:

http://coser.ro/articole/2-puncte_arabice.htm



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 Post subject: Re: Bun gasit ... ref puncte arabice
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:42 pm 
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Alin,
punctele arabice sunt auxiliare in astrologie si tocmai de aceea analiza lor nu trebuie sa primeze aspectelor astrologice de baza. Punctele arabice devin importante daca sunt in conjunctie cu o planeta importanta in tema sau daca sunt tranzitate de o astfel de planeta in periplul ei...
Spre exemplu, iata cate puncte arabice calculeaza aplicatia astrolog 5.41 pentru datele tale de nastere:
Num. Name Position House Formula Flip Type
1: Fortune 21Tau20'28" [ 4th] (Asc - Sun + Moo Y)
2: Spirit 20Vir35'35" [ 8th] (Asc - Moo + Sun Y)
3: Victory 3Lib21'38" [ 8th] (Asc - Spi + Jup Y)
4: Valor & Bravery 24Aqu05'25" [ 1st] (Asc - Mar + For Y)
5: Mind & Administrators 13Sco52'22" [ 9th] (Asc - Mer + Mar Y)
6: Property & Goods 17Lib00'21" [ 8th] (Asc - 2 R + 2 Y)
7: Siblings 22Leo42'46" [ 7th] (Asc - Sat + Jup N)
8: Death of Siblings 4Aqu57'54" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + 3 & Y)
9: Death of Parents 19Gem13'17" [ 5th] (Asc - Sat + Jup Y)
10: Grandparents 22Lib55'00" [ 9th] (Asc - 2 + Sat Y)
11: Real Estate 0Tau08'16" [ 3rd] (Asc - Mer + Jup Y)
12: Children & Life 22Leo42'46" [ 7th] (Asc - Jup + Sat Y)
13: Expected Birth 15Cap58'52" [12th] (Asc - Moo + Moo R N)
14: Disease & Defects (1) 28Pis03'41" [ 2nd] (Asc - Mer + Mar N)
15: Disease & Defects (2) 8Aqu58'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + Mar N)
16: Captivity 10Aqu31'18" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + Sat R N)
17: Servants 16Lib46'57" [ 8th] (Asc - Mer + Moo N)
18: Partners 15Aqu55'33" [ 1st] (Asc - Ven + 7 N)
19: Death 16Vir11'06" [ 8th] (Asc - Moo + 8 N)
20: Sickness & Murder 2Cap57'22" [12th] (Asc - Sat + Mar Y)
21: Danger, Violence & Debt 10Pis03'02" [ 2nd] (Asc - Sat + Mer Y)
22: Journeys 14Tau31'14" [ 3rd] (Asc - 9 R + 9 N)
23: Travel by Water 12Sag25'15" [11th] (Asc - Sat + 15Can Y)
24: Faith, Trust & Belief 16Lib46'57" [ 8th] (Asc - Moo + Mer Y)
25: Deep Reflection 14Gem14'07" [ 5th] (Asc - Sat + Moo Y)
26: Understanding & Wisdom 13Aqu51'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + Sun Y)
27: Fame & Recognition 26Tau19'38" [ 4th] (Asc - Sun + Jup Y)
28: Rulers & Disassociation 2Can14'46" [ 6th] (Asc - Mar + Moo Y)
29: Father, Fate & Karma 28Sag04'23" [11th] (Asc - Sun + Sat Y)
30: Sudden Advancement 6Aqu04'47" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + For Y)
31: Celebrity of Rank 28Sag04'23" [11th] (Asc - Sat + Sun N)
32: Surgery & Accident 8Aqu58'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Mar + Sat Y)
33: Merchants & Their Work 12Sco19'44" [ 9th] (Asc - Mer + Ven Y)
34: Merchandise (Exchange) 20Tau13'08" [ 4th] (Asc - Spi + For Y)
35: Mother 3Can47'23" [ 6th] (Asc - Ven + Moo Y)
36: Glory & Constancy 21Vir42'55" [ 8th] (Asc - For + Spi Y)
37: Honorable Acquaintances 28Cap44'55" [ 1st] (Asc - For + Sun Y)
38: Success 4Gem06'31" [ 4th] (Asc - For + Jup Y)
39: Worldliness 16Sag18'00" [11th] (Asc - For + Ven Y)
40: Acquaintances 25Ari09'06" [ 3rd] (Asc - Moo + Mer N)
41: Violence 17Leo44'40" [ 7th] (Asc - Spi + Mer N)
42: Liberty of Person 24Sag46'39" [11th] (Asc - Mer + Sun Y)
43: Praise & Acceptance 3Leo09'30" [ 7th] (Asc - Jup + Ven Y)
44: Enmity 11Cap47'43" [12th] (Asc - 12 R + 12 N)
45: Bad Luck 21Vir42'55" [ 8th] (Asc - Spi + For N)
46: Debilitated Bodies 17Sag50'37" [11th] (Asc - For + Mar Y)
47: Boldness & Violence 14Gem14'07" [ 5th] (Asc - Asc D + Moo Y)
48: Trickery & Deceit 17Leo44'40" [ 7th] (Asc - Mer + Spi Y)
49: Necessities 16Sco03'52" [ 9th] (Asc - Mar + 3 N)
50: Realization of Needs 16Sag59'46" [11th] (Asc - For + Mer N)
51: Retribution 1Pis52'19" [ 1st] (Asc - Mar + Sun Y)
52: Children (Male) 15Cap58'52" [12th] (Asc - Moo + Jup N)
53: Children (Female) 3Can47'23" [ 6th] (Asc - Moo + Ven N)
54: Play & Variety 19Cap25'24" [12th] (Asc - Ven + Mar N)
55: Stability 10Pis03'02" [ 2nd] (Asc - Mer + Sat N)
56: Speculation 19Leo36'19" [ 7th] (Asc - Jup + 5 Y)
57: Art 29Pis36'19" [ 2nd] (Asc - Ven + Mer Y)
58: Sexual Attraction 13Pis09'29" [ 2nd] (Asc - 5 R + 5 N)
59: Sex Drive & Stimulation 24Ari36'39" [ 3rd] (Asc - Ven + Plu N)
60: Passion 1Pis52'19" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Mar N)
61: Emotion & Affection 19Cap25'24" [12th] (Asc - Ven + Mar N)
62: Most Perilous Year 1Sag53'01" [10th] (Asc - Sat + 8 R N)
63: Peril 22Ari55'00" [ 3rd] (Asc - Sat + 8 N)
64: Occultism 10Pis15'22" [ 2nd] (Asc - Ura + Nep N)
65: Commerce 24Sag46'39" [11th] (Asc - Sun + Mer N)
66: Marriage Contracts 13Leo06'55" [ 7th] ( 9 - Ven + 3 N)
67: Travel by Land 14Tau31'14" [ 3rd] (Asc - 9 R + 9 N)
68: Travel by Air 27Aqu43'01" [ 1st] (Asc - Ura H + Ura N)
69: Destiny 17Can38'33" [ 6th] (Mid - Moo + Sun Y)
70: Vocation & Status 18Pis23'27" [ 2nd] (Mid - Sun + Moo Y)
71: Honor, Nobility (Day) 26Sag24'27" [11th] (Asc - Sun + 19Ari N)
72: Honor, Nobility (Night) 10Tau46'53" [ 3rd] (Asc - Moo + 3Tau N)
73: Organization 7Gem03'34" [ 4th] (Asc - Sun + Plu N)
74: Divorce 26Sag00'30" [11th] (Asc - 7 + Ven N)
75: Ostracism & Loss 22Gem33'39" [ 5th] (Asc - Sun + Ura N)
76: Friends 22Lib56'06" [ 9th] (Asc - Ura + Moo Y)
77: Tragedy & Brethren 13Aqu51'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Sat N)
78: Race (Consciousness) 7Lib26'01" [ 8th] (Asc - Plu + Moo Y)
79: Bondage & Slavery 14Gem14'07" [ 5th] (Asc - Moo D + Moo Y)
80: Imprisonment & Sorrow 7Can51'57" [ 6th] (Asc - Nep + For N)
81: Perversion 1Lib49'19" [ 8th] (Asc - Ura + Ven N)
82: Self-Undoing 15Aqu33'09" [ 1st] (Asc - Nep + 12 N)
83: Treachery & Entrapment 11Leo50'59" [ 7th] (Asc - Sun + Nep N)
84: Bereavement 2Aqu47'06" [ 1st] ( 12 - Nep + 12 R N)
85: Suicide (Yang) 0Aqu08'20" [ 1st] (Asc - 12 + Jup N)
86: Suicide (Yin) 24Lib55'41" [ 9th] (Asc - Nep + 8 N)
87: Depression 24Aqu43'27" [ 1st] (Asc - Nep + Jup N)
88: Assassination (Yang) 13Leo45'13" [ 7th] (Mar - Ura + Nep N)
89: Assassination (Yin) 24Aqu43'27" [ 1st] (Asc - Nep + 12 R N)
90: Cancer (Disease) 17Sag12'36" [11th] (Asc - Jup + Nep N)
91: Catastrophe 29Tau40'00" [ 4th] (Asc - Sat + Ura N)
92: Foolhardiness 12Vir16'03" [ 8th] (Asc - Ura + Sat N)
93: Release & Luck 13Sco52'22" [ 9th] (Asc - Mar + Mer N)
94: Benevolence & Assurance 11Lib47'47" [ 8th] (Asc - Mer + Jup N)
95: Hope & Sensitivity 0Tau08'16" [ 3rd] (Asc - Jup + Mer N)
96: Aptness & Aloofness 1Sag53'01" [10th] (Asc - Sat + Mer N)
97: Charm & Personality 1Sag40'41" [10th] (Asc - Nep + Ura N)
98: Faith & Good Manners 25Ari09'06" [ 3rd] (Asc - Mer + Moo Y)
99: Temperament 17Aqu09'24" [ 1st] (Asc - Mer + Sun N)
100: Security & Treasure 29Pis36'19" [ 2nd] (Asc - Mer + Ven N)
101: Originality 18Can45'01" [ 6th] (Asc - Mer + Ura N)
102: Eccentricity, Astrology 23Can11'02" [ 7th] (Asc - Ura + Mer N)
103: Divination 8Vir02'21" [ 7th] (Asc - Mer + Nep N)
104: Intrusion 3Gem53'42" [ 4th] (Asc - Nep + Mer N)
105: Negotiation 7Can13'55" [ 6th] (Asc - Jup + Mar N)
106: Discord & Controversy 4Leo42'07" [ 7th] (Asc - Mar + Jup N)
107: Coincidence 0Lib16'42" [ 8th] (Asc - Ura + Mar N)
108: Unpreparedness 11Tau39'21" [ 3rd] (Asc - Mar + Ura N)
109: Popularity 10Leo59'21" [ 7th] (Asc - Nep + Mar N)
110: Misunderstanding 0Can56'42" [ 6th] (Asc - Mar + Nep N)
111: Sentiment & Marriage 8Can46'33" [ 6th] (Asc - Jup + Ven N)
112: Loneliness 3Leo09'30" [ 7th] (Asc - Ven + Jup N)
113: Success in Investment 10Aqu31'18" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + Ven N)
114: Frugality & Labor 1Cap24'45" [12th] (Asc - Ven + Sat N)
115: Wastefulness 10Tau06'44" [ 3rd] (Asc - Ven + Ura N)
116: Vanity 12Leo31'59" [ 7th] (Asc - Nep + Ven N)
117: Corruptness 29Gem24'04" [ 6th] (Asc - Ven + Nep N)
118: Initiative 10Sag03'44" [11th] (Asc - Mar + Sun N)
119: Memory 9Leo41'17" [ 7th] (Asc - Moo + Mar Y)
120: Love, Beauty & Peace 3Pis24'56" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Ven N)
121: Disinterest & Boredom 8Sag31'06" [10th] (Asc - Ven + Sun N)
122: Accomplishment 26Tau19'38" [ 4th] (Asc - Jup + Sun N)
123: Influence 27Leo41'56" [ 7th] (Asc - Moo + Sat Y)
124: Increase & Impression 15Vir36'25" [ 8th] (Asc - Sun + Jup N)
125: Caution 18Can57'21" [ 6th] (Asc - Sat + Nep N)
126: Timidity 22Can58'42" [ 7th] (Asc - Nep + Sat N)
127: Entertainment 27Lib55'15" [ 9th] (Asc - Jup + Ura N)
128: Bequest 14Ari00'47" [ 2nd] (Asc - Ura + Jup N)
129: Genius 0Can05'04" [ 6th] (Asc - Nep + Sun N)
130: Revelation 12Sag13'26" [11th] (Asc - Nep + Moo Y)
131: Delusion 29Aqu42'37" [ 1st] (Asc - Moo + Nep Y)
132: Misinterpretation 18Ari59'57" [ 2nd] (Asc - Moo + Ura Y)
133: Intellectuality 19Leo22'24" [ 7th] (Asc - Ura + Sun N)
134: Earth 22Leo42'46" [ 7th] (Asc - Sat + Jup N) Event
135: Water 3Can47'23" [ 6th] (Asc - Moo + Ven N) Event
136: Air & Wind 29Pis36'19" [ 2nd] (Asc - Mer + 4 R N) Event
137: Fire 1Pis52'19" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Mar N) Event
138: Clouds 8Aqu58'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Mar + Sat Y) Event
139: Rains 8Leo08'40" [ 7th] (Asc - Moo + Ven Y) Event
140: Cold 1Sag53'01" [10th] (Asc - Mer + Sat Y) Event
141: Wheat 26Tau19'38" [ 4th] (Asc - Sun + Jup Y) Comm.
142: Barley & Meats 25Cap57'11" [ 1st] (Asc - Moo + Jup Y) Comm.
143: Rice & Millet 3Leo09'30" [ 7th] (Asc - Jup + Ven Y) Comm.
144: Corn 22Leo42'46" [ 7th] (Asc - Jup + Sat Y) Comm.
145: Lentils, Iron, Pungents 8Aqu58'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Mar + Sat Y) Comm.
146: Beans & Onions 2Cap57'22" [12th] (Asc - Sat + Mar Y) Comm.
147: Chick Peas 24Sag46'39" [11th] (Asc - Mer + Sun Y) Comm.
148: Sesame & Grapes 1Cap24'45" [12th] (Asc - Sat + Ven Y) Comm.
149: Sugar & Legumes 29Pis36'19" [ 2nd] (Asc - Ven + Mer Y) Comm.
150: Honey 20Vir35'35" [ 8th] (Asc - Moo + Sun Y) Comm.
151: Oils 2Can14'46" [ 6th] (Asc - Mar + Moo Y) Comm.
152: Nuts & Flax 19Cap25'24" [12th] (Asc - Mar + Ven Y) Comm.
153: Olives 25Ari09'06" [ 3rd] (Asc - Mer + Moo Y) Comm.
154: Apricots & Peaches 2Cap57'22" [12th] (Asc - Sat + Mar Y) Comm.
155: Melons 11Lib47'47" [ 8th] (Asc - Jup + Mer Y) Comm.
156: Salt 9Leo41'17" [ 7th] (Asc - Moo + Mar Y) Comm.
157: Sweets 17Aqu09'24" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Mer Y) Comm.
158: Astrigents & Purgatives 1Sag53'01" [10th] (Asc - Mer + Sat Y) Comm.
159: Silk & Cotton 12Sco19'44" [ 9th] (Asc - Mer + Ven Y) Comm.
160: Purgatives (Bitter) 2Cap57'22" [12th] (Asc - Sat + Mar Y) Comm.
161: Purgatives (Acid) 19Gem13'17" [ 5th] (Asc - Sat + Jup Y) Comm.
162: Secrets 2Can31'48" [ 6th] (Asc - Asc D + Mid N) Hora.
163: Information True/False 25Ari09'06" [ 3rd] (Asc - Mer + Moo Y) Hora.
164: Injury to Business 6Aqu04'47" [ 1st] (Asc - Asc D + For Y) Hora.
165: Freedmen & Servants 15Vir37'28" [ 8th] (Mer - Jup + Sat N) Hora.
166: Employers 11Gem26'23" [ 5th] (Moo - Jup + Sat N) Hora.
167: Marriage 15Aqu55'33" [ 1st] (Asc - Ven + 7 N) Hora.
168: Time for Action/Success 15Vir36'25" [ 8th] (Asc - Sun + Jup N) Hora.
169: Time Occupied in Action 13Aqu51'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Sat N) Hora.
170: Dismissal & Resignation 1Aqu05'37" [ 1st] (Sat - Sun + Jup N) Hora.
171: Life/Death of Absentee 2Can14'46" [ 6th] (Asc - Moo + Mar N) Hora.
172: Lost Animal (Light) 1Pis52'19" [ 1st] (Asc - Sun + Mar N) Hora.
173: Lost Animal (Dark) 8Aqu58'40" [ 1st] (Asc - Sat + Mar N) Hora.
174: Lawsuit 13Sco52'22" [ 9th] (Asc - Mar + Mer N) Hora.
175: Decapitation 19Aqu40'57" [ 1st] ( 8 - Moo + Mar N) Hora.
176: Torture 11Ari17'05" [ 2nd] (Mid - Moo + Sat N) Hora.
177: Lost Objects 24Sag44'55" [11th] (Moo - Asc D + 4 N) Hora.

Cum crezi ca poate cineva sa integreze 177 de puncte arabice intr-o analiza pertinenta? Eu iti spun ca nu se poate... Bine, se poate, dar analiza nu ar pute avea nicio relevanta.
Prima recomandare pe care o fac astrologii este sa alegi acele puncte arabice care sunt foarte importante pentru un scop pe care ti l-ai ales tu: faima, cariera, noroc, sanatate etc etc etc si acesta va fi intai analizat in raport cu planetele din tema natala si apoi in raport cu planetele care il vor tranzita.
Alege din aceasta lista cateva puncte arabice si apoi vom trece la etapa urmatoare in care sa descoperim ce rol au ele in tema ta...



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 Post subject: Re: Bun gasit ... ref puncte arabice
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:13 am 

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Multumesc mult ptr informatii

am intrebat deoarece fiecare dintre noi in avem nevoie de confirmari...eu nu sunt decat un "mic elev",,care incerc sa -mi explic anumite aspecte, poate sa reusesc sa stabilesc cu acesta ocazie ora exacta a nasterii..deoarece la spital arvia s-a distrus(inundat acum 3-4 ani) si la starea civila nu am gasit decat data nu si ora nasterii....

calculand dupa ceea ce-mi spune mama sunt nascut intre orele 22.00-si 22.35 dar asta insemna ca pana la ora 22.20 soarele casa a 4 iar ulterior in casa 5...si este doar 1 aspect destul de important zic eu..mai sunt si altele care pot influenat..cred ca si anumite p. arabice pot arata(demonstra) cate ceva.. incerc .......

uite am cateva exemple de date personale:
ref la pct sanatate/interventii chirurgicale majore:
luna dec 1980- operatie hernie inghinala
tot dec 1988 - a 2 operatie de acelasi gen
sept 1989 apedicectomie

ian 1998 mic castig financiar la loterie

febr 1998 - promovare ex licenta

ref casatorie..25.09.1999

ref achizitie locuinta 21 sept 2003



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