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Doamnelor si putinilor domni de pe-aici, uite ce zice nenea Hank Friedman despre asta:

Most astrologers adopt one major approach (e.g. one house system, one set of aspects and orbs, one set of planets and points to use, etc.) and never question its efficacy.

When I first started doing Western astrology, I was guided by my Angels to purchase a specific astrology book (The Astrology of Inner Space by Carl Payne Tobey). In it, he explained that using a house system that places the MC at the top of the chart and the Ascendant at the left, is like mixing apples and oranges, i.e. using two coordinate systems instead of one.

As a result, I began two years of rigorous testing, comparing the Placidus system I was using with the Equal House system, which he endorsed.

At the end of my research, a full 100% of the feedback I received from clients about their lives supported Equal houses, so I left Placidus behind.

In subsequent years, I discovered that while most other astrologers never tested the house system they started with, to see if it was the most accurate, virtually all of the astrologers I met who did test different house systems had the same results that I did, i.e. they switched to the Equal House System.

Because astrological work can become so subjective, it is vital to test the accuracy of ones methods.

(Note: because I got into astrology to disprove it, I literally tested -- during chart readings -- every statement about the chart mentioned in several books, and therefore was able to discern which principles worked and which didn't.)

Si am mai vazut la altii (tot pro) ca folosesc casele egale. Eu personal folosesc Placidus, dar ideea cu testatul mi se pare buna.

Author:	ari_ko [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:14 pm ]
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domnilor, cum este indicat sa interpretam o astrograma, pe case egale sau inegale? ori tb analizata sub ambele unghiuri? in cazul caselor egale anumite planete nu mai au aceasi pozitionare ca si in cazul caselor inegale......

Author:	aries [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:05 pm ]
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ari_ko wrote: domnilor, cum este indicat sa interpretam o astrograma, pe case egale sau inegale? ori tb analizata sub ambele unghiuri? in cazul caselor egale anumite planete nu mai au aceasi pozitionare ca si in cazul caselor inegale...... Problema este discutata pe topicul "Despre case" la -Astrologie-discutii generale [unde ai postat si tu o intrebare],pag.din 2005.Am citit-o chiar inainte de a vedea intrebarea ta. Dorina

Author:	ari_ko [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:44 am ]
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am citit postarile cu pricina , dar nimeni nu face referire la problema care ma interesa: cum interpretam o astrograma, pe case inegale sau egale? care ar avea o relevanta mai mare?

Author:	Mihnea [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:26 pm ]
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Doamnelor si putinilor domni de pe-aici, uite ce zice nenea Hank Friedman despre asta: Most astrologers adopt one major approach (e.g. one house system, one set of aspects and orbs, one set of planets and points to use, etc.) and never question its efficacy. When I first started doing Western astrology, I was guided by my Angels to purchase a specific astrology book (The Astrology of Inner Space by Carl Payne Tobey). In it, he explained that using a house system that places the MC at the top of the chart and the Ascendant at the left, is like mixing apples and oranges, i.e. using two coordinate systems instead of one. As a result, I began two years of rigorous testing, comparing the Placidus system I was using with the Equal House system, which he endorsed. At the end of my research, a full 100% of the feedback I received from clients about their lives supported Equal houses, so I left Placidus behind. In subsequent years, I discovered that while most other astrologers never tested the house system they started with, to see if it was the most accurate, virtually all of the astrologers I met who did test different house systems had the same results that I did, i.e. they switched to the Equal House System. Because astrological work can become so subjective, it is vital to test the accuracy of ones methods. (Note: because I got into astrology to disprove it, I literally tested -- during chart readings -- every statement about the chart mentioned in several books, and therefore was able to discern which principles worked and which didn't.) Si am mai vazut la altii (tot pro) ca folosesc casele egale. Eu personal folosesc Placidus, dar ideea cu testatul mi se pare buna.

Author:	mihaela01 [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:56 pm ]
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Eu consider sistemul caselor inegale mai relevant, deoarece casele reprezinta sectoare terestre din viata si atunci este logic ca nu toate domeniile vietii unui om sunt la fel de importante. De fapt diferentele apar in cazul unor clusterumuri, si conteaza totusi pozitia unei planete intr-o casa sau alta. Iar la sistemul de case egale nu mai pot aparea case legate sau axe interceptate. Iar aceste aspecte sunt foarte importante intr-o astrograma si spun multe lucruri in plus despre sectorul respectiv de viata. mihaela.

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Author:	coser [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:07 pm ]
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Sistemul caselor este o chestiune de alegere personala. E greu sa alefi dint toate aceste sistem care este ce reprezentativ. Dintre toate cele mai folosite sunt Placidus si Egalitar. Eu prefer casele inegale pentru ca exprima realitatea cosmica pe care o traim. Axa planetei noastre este inclinata, iar razele solare nu cad perpendicular pe suprafata planeteie decat la ecuator - acolo casele vor fi egale, acolo si ziua este egala cu noaptea si exista un ritm circadian care se mentine tot anul. Pornind de la Ecuator spre poli lucrurile se schimba, iar acest ritm circadiande asemenea se schimba si este si normal ca reactiile oamenilor la acest ritm sa fie altele. Ar fi absurd sa consideram ca astrologia neaga importanta cadrului geografic asupra vietii nativului avand in vedere ca insasi fotografia cerului natal depinde de aceasta pozitionare.... si cum exista un rost in acest ritm circadian (si nu numai) cu siguranta exista un rost si in inegalitatea caselor. Unii considera ca diferentele sunt minime si deci nu ar trebui sa le acorde atata importanta si poate chiar au dreptate insa atunci cand doresti sa analizezi elemente de detaliu ale temei trebuie sa apelezi la case inegale. Casele egale se folosesc de astrologul care nu stie ora nasterii sau in sisteme generale de predictii. Analiza unei teme cu case egale se sprijina foarte mult pe intuitia astrologului. Uite de exemplu ce diferenta majora este intre cele doua sisteme in cazul Valentinei Garlea (a carei tema este analiza deja).

Author:	Mihnea [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:52 am ]
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Desigur ca de la o latitudine incolo (aproape de pinguini) nu mai este posibil sa folosim casele inegale, ca atunci toti eschimosii ar avea numai steliumuri. Harta Valentinei, nascuta ipotetic undeva prin Rusia:

Author:	coser [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:55 am ]
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si de ce nu ar fi.. este stiu ca nu sunt multi cei care traiesc acolo si, mai ales, nu au deloc o viata usoara, asta prin natura lucrurilor...

Author:	mihaela01 [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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Quote: Desigur ca de la o latitudine incolo (aproape de pinguini) nu mai este posibil sa folosim casele inegale Mihnea, e o mare diferenta daca traiesti in Iasi, la Polul Nord sau in Sahara. Acest lucru se reflecta si in astrograme, daca se foloseste sistemul de case inegale. mihaela.

Author:	Mihnea [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:20 am ]
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Da, e interesanta ideea voastra, si foarte posibil sa aveti dreptate.

Author:	Mihnea [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:33 am ]
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Morinus chiar a combatut rau de tot teoria caselor egale. Cine-i Morinus, ziceti voi... Cititi despre el aici.

Author:	AdiM [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:55 am ]
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Mihaela Dicu a prezentat la Craiova, la AstroFestival 2006, o conferinta despre Casele pe semne intregi (Whole Houses), care a stirnit interes. Puteti citi despre asta la: http://www.astrele.ro/articles.php?id=92 Am facut si eu o comparatie intre Placidus si Whole, la http://www.astrele.ro/articles.php?id=93 Personal am folosit doar Placidus, dar mai nou am inceput sa explorez si posibilitatile oferite de sistemul Whole Houses, un sistem de case egale care considera ca prima casa este intreg semnul in care este Ascendentul, iar celelalte urmeaza, fiecare pe cite un semn intreg.

Author:	Mihnea [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:19 pm ]
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Sper ca am inteles bine ca in sistemul Whole AS si MC sunt puncte fictive, la care se face in continuare raportarea celorlalte planete, prin aspecte. Deci in continuare zicem ca planeta X face trigon cu AS, doar ca acum ne referim nu la cuspida casei I, ci la punctul AS, care intotdeauna cade in casa I. Dar ce se intampla cu MC? El poate sa cada ori in casa IX, ori in X. Se interpreteaza cumva diferit, sau n-are importanta in ce casa cade?

Author:	AdiM [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:30 pm ]
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Mihnea wrote: Sper ca am inteles bine ca in sistemul Whole AS si MC sunt puncte fictive, la care se face in continuare raportarea celorlalte planete, prin aspecte. Deci in continuare zicem ca planeta X face trigon cu AS, doar ca acum ne referim nu la cuspida casei I, ci la punctul AS, care intotdeauna cade in casa I. Dar ce se intampla cu MC? El poate sa cada ori in casa IX, ori in X. Se interpreteaza cumva diferit, sau n-are importanta in ce casa cade? In calcul, se determina Ascendentul (ca in sistemul Placidus) ca sa se stabileasca semnul Casei I, apoi celelalte case se pun in ordine dupa ea. De ex., daca AS cade la 10 Rac, atunci intreg semnul Racului va fi Casa I, Leul = Casa II, Fecioara = Casa III, s.a.m.d. Fiecare casa corespunde unui semn intreg. Cuspidele se pot calcula si ele, dar ele nu mai marcheaza inceputul caselor, de aceea nu mai au aceeasi importanta. MC poate sa cada in alta casa decit casa a X-a, la fel si celelalte cuspide. In rest, interpretarea planetelor in case se face la fel ca in Placidus, doar ca se schimba pozitia unor planete in casa. Exemplele date de Mihaela in articol sunt sugestive.

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Author:	Mihnea [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:44 pm ]
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AdiM wrote: MC poate sa cada in alta casa decit casa a X-a Asa-i, ma intrebam doar daca are vreo semnificatie speciala daca MC se nimereste in casa VIII, IX, X, XI sau XII... sau mai stiu eu unde poate sa cada...

Author:	AdiM [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:51 pm ]
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Mihnea wrote: AdiM wrote: MC poate sa cada in alta casa decit casa a X-a Asa-i, ma intrebam doar daca are vreo semnificatie speciala daca MC se nimereste in casa VIII, IX, X, XI sau XII... sau mai stiu eu unde poate sa cada... Deocamdata n-am gasit alte materiale despre sistemul Whole Houses, in afara de ce am aflat de la Mihaela. Dar cred ca este posibil, in Whole Houses, sa se interpreteze MC in functie de casa in care cade. Cel mai adesea cade in X sau in case vecine, dar la latitudini mari poate sa cada si mai departe de Casa X. Probabil este un detaliu minor, totusi, in Whole Houses. Ramine de studiat.

Author:	ari_ko [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:04 pm ]
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Mihnea wrote: Doamnelor si putinilor domni de pe-aici, uite ce zice nenea Hank Friedman despre asta: Most astrologers adopt one major approach (e.g. one house system, one set of aspects and orbs, one set of planets and points to use, etc.) and never question its efficacy. When I first started doing Western astrology, I was guided by my Angels to purchase a specific astrology book (The Astrology of Inner Space by Carl Payne Tobey). In it, he explained that using a house system that places the MC at the top of the chart and the Ascendant at the left, is like mixing apples and oranges, i.e. using two coordinate systems instead of one. As a result, I began two years of rigorous testing, comparing the Placidus system I was using with the Equal House system, which he endorsed. At the end of my research, a full 100% of the feedback I received from clients about their lives supported Equal houses, so I left Placidus behind. In subsequent years, I discovered that while most other astrologers never tested the house system they started with, to see if it was the most accurate, virtually all of the astrologers I met who did test different house systems had the same results that I did, i.e. they switched to the Equal House System. Because astrological work can become so subjective, it is vital to test the accuracy of ones methods. (Note: because I got into astrology to disprove it, I literally tested -- during chart readings -- every statement about the chart mentioned in several books, and therefore was able to discern which principles worked and which didn't.) Si am mai vazut la altii (tot pro) ca folosesc casele egale. Eu personal folosesc Placidus, dar ideea cu testatul mi se pare buna. nu puteai sa sintetizezi in romana ce a scris individul asta? uffff . pt mine, o necunascatoare de engleza, suna ca si cand ai incepe sa vb ceva si te aud, dupa care brusc se intrerupe sonorul si apoi mai aud partea de sfarsit:"Si am mai vazut la altii (tot pro) ca folosesc casele egale. Eu personal folosesc Placidus, dar ideea cu testatul mi se pare buna.[/quote]"