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In astrologia vedica exista conceptul de AtmaKaraka (Atma=suflet;Karaka=semnificator).AtmaKaraka este planeta dintr-o astrograma care are cele mai multe grade intr-o zodie si este cea mai importanta planeta intr-un horoscop.Relatiile complexe in care intra aceasta planeta (ex. pozitionare intr-o casa,guvernatoare a unei sau unor case,aspecte etc.) ne pot da indicii despre intruparea respectiva.In perioada planetei respective (dasa-pentru cei familiarizati cit de cit cu astrologia vedica) se spune ca constientizam principalul obiectiv pentru care Dumnezeu a hotarit sa ne intrupam.



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Marian,
pare interesant ceea ce spui, dar ai putea, te rog, sa detaliezi putin pentru cei nefamiliarizati cu astrologia vedica, cum adica un concept poate fi o planeta pe o astrograma si cum ocupa mai multe grade in aceeasi zodie :? ? ?
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...Relatiile complexe in care intra aceasta planeta (ex. pozitionare intr-o casa,guvernatoare a unei sau unor case,aspecte etc.) ne pot da indicii despre intruparea respectiva.In perioada planetei respective (..) se spune ca constientizam principalul obiectiv pentru care Dumnezeu a hotarit sa ne intrupam.

pare interesant, dar nu inteleg....



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:D Un concept nu poate fi o planeta si nici viceversa, desigur.In astrologia vedica fiecare planeta este semnificator pentru ceva (ex:pt mama,pt sotie,pt frati , pt suflet etc).Planeta dintr-o astrograma care traverseaza cel mai mare numar de grade intr-o zodie (de ex, sa zicem ca Saturn ar fi la 28 de grade intr-o zodie si nici o alta planeta nu are mai multe grade si nici acelasi numar de grade intr-o alta zodie sau in aceiasi zodie).Deci Saturn ar fi semnificatorul sufletului (AtmaKaraka) pt astrograma respectiva.Ceva asemanator cu Razele Sufletului din astrologie initiatica europeana despre care vorbeste si Dan Ciuperca in binecunoscuta sa carte.



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marian12345 wrote:
In perioada planetei respective (dasa-pentru cei familiarizati cit de cit cu astrologia vedica) se spune ca constientizam principalul obiectiv pentru care Dumnezeu a hotarit sa ne intrupam.


In cazul Soarelui,ai putea sa indici cand este perioada [perioadele] lui?


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Aries,nu te grabi cu calculele pe propria-ti astrograma.Pentru a afla AtmaKaraka iti trebuie un program de astrologie vedica in care in primul rind sa afli care planeta este AtmaKaraka.Sistemul perioadele planetare (dasas) sint nu atat greu de aflat cat greu de utilizat pentru incepatori.De pe http://www.vedicastrologer.org poti descarca un soft puternic si gratuit de astrologie vedica.



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marian12345 wrote:
....Planeta dintr-o astrograma care traverseaza cel mai mare numar de grade intr-o zodie (de ex, sa zicem ca Saturn ar fi la 28 de grade intr-o zodie si nici o alta planeta nu are mai multe grade si nici acelasi numar de grade intr-o alta zodie sau in aceiasi zodie).Deci Saturn ar fi semnificatorul sufletului (AtmaKaraka) pt astrograma respectiva.Ceva asemanator cu Razele Sufletului din astrologie initiatica europeana ...

Deci inteleg ca este vb de planeta care pe o astro se afla la finalul unei zodii ( situatia extrema) si deduc ca ar trebui sa fie aceeasi cu raza sufletului (astro initiatica).
Bun! Eu am inteles foarte bine din " Astrologia, o terapie moderna" (G.Coser) cum pot stabili raza sufletului. Cum se procedeaza in astro vedica atunci cand la gradul 29 am in conjunctie perfecta 2 planete? cum stiu care este AtmaKaraka ?



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Planeta care va avea mai multe minute pe arc sau daca si minutele sint egale atunci se ia in consideratie secundele.Daca si secundele sint egale chiar nu stiu care este rezolvarea dilemei.



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Inca ceva:AtmaKaraka nu va fi neaparat aceiasi planeta identica cu raza sufletului din astrologia initiatica europeana.De exemplu eu am ca si AtmaKaraka planeta Marte care nu poate fi raza pentru mine in astrologia europeana.



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marian12345 wrote:
Daca si secundele sint egale chiar nu stiu care este rezolvarea dilemei.

Banuiesc ca intervine intuitia astrologului, fara de care nimic nu este posibil :)



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marian12345 wrote:
Aries,nu te grabi cu calculele ...


Multumesc.
Am crezut ca daca soarele e la cel mai mare nr. de grade ,in zodia in care se afla, gata, am si aflat raspunsul :D


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In astrologia vedica toate planetele si ascendentul sint cu aproximativ 23 de grade mai inapoi,deci cred ca la tine Soarele nu va fi AtmaKaraka.Nu te mira,chiar si asa, orientati dupa constelatii si mai mult dupa Luna si nu dupa Soare vedicii pot face predictii absolut fantastice.Dar si astrologia europeana,desi nu are,cred eu,asa putere in a prezice,totusi un astrolog european poate afla multe dintr-o astrograma,numai ca ce ii lipseste de regula e elevatia spirituala.Descarca programul de astrologie vedica de pe situl de mai sus si vei afla usor care este AtmaKaraka in cazul tau (este planeta linga care vei vedea intialele AK),desi ma indoiesc ca vei afla astfel si ce "vrea" AtmaKaraka ta de la tine...



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marian12345 wrote:
...vedicii pot face predictii absolut fantastice... si astrologia europeana,desi nu are,cred eu,asa putere in a prezice,totusi un astrolog european poate afla multe dintr-o astrograma,numai ca ce ii lipseste de regula e elevatia spirituala.

Marian,
nu pot nega ceea ce nu cunosc, deci nu te voi contrazice absolut deloc in privinta astro vedice..totusi,partea a doua a afirmatiei tale as zice ca este valabila numai daca te-ai referit la acele persoane care isi spun cu prea multa nonsalanta "astrologi" si care nu numai ca vand iluzii ( chiar si spaime uneori) fie din cabinet, fie de pe micul ecran ( si telefonul costa, nu??), dar pun Astrologia intr-o lumina deloc favorabila...



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[quote="marian12345"]In astrologia vedica toate planetele si ascendentul sint cu aproximativ 23 de grade mai inapoi,

Acum, am inteles de ce in astrologia vedica pozitiile planetelor sunt altfel. Nu cunosc deloc astrologia vedica si am fost surprinsa, cand din intamplare, Luna mea in Gemeni a devenit ,,Luna mea in Taur``. Multumesc !



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De exemplu eu am ca si AtmaKaraka planeta Marte care nu poate fi raza pentru mine in astrologia europeana.


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Atmakaraka- Knowing the Souls Desire
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What we desire and do not get, all this we find by going in within ourselves. For here indeed are the true desires within the covering of the false. Just as those who do not know the field, walk again and again over the treasure of gold and do not find it. In the same way most of us go into the world of Brahma and do not find it; for we are carried away by our false desires and fail to recognize the true ones even though they are hidden within. Chandogya Upanishad (chapter 3: verse 2)

Atma means the soul and karaka means significator. Atmakaraka is the significator of the soul’s desire. According to the Vedic philosophy a soul is reborn because it has unfinished desires that were left unfulfilled in the previous lives and it is born again to get another opportunity to satisfy them. What are these desires? Will they be fulfilled or will you struggle with them? This revealed by the Atmakaraka planet. In my view the Atmakaraka is one of the most important planets in the natal chart.

The natural Atmakaraka is the Sun in all charts. The Atmakaraka of this article is the chara Atmakaraka. Usually when we refer to the personal Atmakaraka, we mean the Chara Atmakaraka. Chara means movable and one of eight planets (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn and Rahu) can take over the mantle of Atmakaraka depending on its degrees in the natal chart. The planet that has the highest degree, ignoring the signs, is considered the chara Atmakaraka. Due to its perpetual retrograde motion, Rahu Ketu degrees are calculated by subtracting from 30º. (However other retrograde planets are calculated in the usual way) For e.g. if Rahu Ketu are 15º 24’ in a chart, you minus this from 30º and the remaining degrees will be 14º36’. If this degree is greater than of any other planet then Rahu Ketu will be considered the Atmakaraka.

There is a disagreement regarding the use of Rahu as Atmakaraka. Some scholars only use 7 planets excluding Rahu, while others use 8, including Rahu. Ketu as the significator of moksha does not form part of the scheme of chara karakas. Moksha is the destination of the soul, the ultimate aim, it is not important in revealing the on the soul’s more worldly desires. As Rahu and Ketu form part of the karmic axis, Rahu will show Ketu’s desire for spiritual fulfillment. For many years I used 7 karakas only but now I am convinced of the need to include Rahu in this scheme. As Rahu links so strongly to the past lives and unfulfilled desires. Rahu’s role is invaluable in the search for answers in this life and the turmoil this causes as well as the soul’s ability to ultimately triumph over those uncontrollable desires.

The Atmakaraka reflects the spirit within us. But its outer expression does not always appear to be spiritual. We can be taken in by the illusionary natures of the desires and think that the satiation of the worldly desires is all what the soul wants. But it is important to understand that the fulfillment of the worldly desires is part of the process of unveiling of the true soul. The soul is treading the wheel of desire as the fulfillment of one set of material desires can create an ever-increasing appetite for more and more. These desires never become fulfilled. The true desire of the soul is to get off this wheel and find self-realization, peace and eternal happiness. The struggle between the real and the false has to be understood. The false desires are those we search for in the outside world. The true desires are satisfied from within. The basic struggle of the soul is to differentiate between the two and its inability to differentiate is the reason why it takes birth again and again.

Atmakaraka planet personify these struggles but also shows the path through life lessons (usually delivered during Atmakaraka dashas and bhuktis). Identifying with the materialistic goals is essential and we must not underrate these needs. The fact that the soul is born to earth shows that there is a worldly mission for the soul to complete before it is ready to understand the higher self. Experiences teach us to look for our higher self. There cannot be a fast track to moksha or self-realization. So it is important to recognize and complete the material goal- both the pleasant and the unpleasant. Without that achievement, you cannot go into the inner world and find your personal treasure of happiness. Atmakaraka will show you both the soul’s material goals and the spiritual ones. Not all of us can find the ultimate realisation but we can get slowly enlightened.
The truly revelation of the soul has to be a personal experience. Atmakaraka shows us the true desires of the soul, whether we recognize them or not depends on us.

Atmakaraka Analysis

Prince William
21 June 1982, 21:03 GMT, Paddington, England
The Planetary Grid
Planet Sign
Sun 6º29’Gemini
Moon 11º21’Gemini
Mars 15º35’Virgo
Mercury 15º21’Gemini
Jupiter 6º52’Libra
Venus 2º03’Taurus
Saturn 21º53’Virgo
Rahu 20º28’Gemini
Ketu 20º28’Sagittarius

1. The quality and strength of the Atmakaraka planet Saturn has the highest degrees, so it is the Atmakaraka for Prince William. Saturn’s quality of facing up to responsibility and taking your duty seriously are already evident in the young Prince. The soul lesson of Saturn as an Atmakaraka is loneliness as well as facing harsh lesson of life. Things he may already be familiar with.
2. The house where it is placed- for this you should evaluate both the Rasi chart and the Bhava charts. Dusthana (6th, 8th and 12th) house placement is usually difficult. Saturn is placed in the house of it’s friend Mercury and in the 10th house in both rasi and bhava where it is very powerful and in Dikbala.

3. The house the Atmakaraka rules shows the area from where you can find fulfillment or where you experience the life lessons/pain. When the Atmakaraka planet rules two houses, pay extra importance to the house which is it’s mooltrikona position. Saturn rules the 2nd and 3rd house. Its mooltrikona is the 3rd house (Aquarius) therefore William’s soul needs would be fulfilled from taking responsibility for his own actions. But this can be frustrating for him as he is part of the institution of monarchy where tradition and custom play an important part. His personal freedom can be restricted. But Saturn also rules the dhana bhava, the 2nd house. So the family wealth and inheritance are also important to him. He may compromise one to gain the other.

4. The aspects (planetary and rashi) and conjunctions – they can either aggravate or enhance the qualities. Saturn is placed with Mars, the auspicious 5th house ruler, so this quality of Mars will enhance Saturn. But Mars and Saturn have an inherently difficult relationship so they will be a conflict as well. There are no planetary aspects, the rashi aspects are from Rahu, Ketu, Sun and Moon. Rahu Ketu show the karmic nature of his life and they can create turmoil within his soul. The turbulence of the soul is usually buried deep and not always outwardly visible so there is no way of evaluating them. Sun as the 9th house ruler is giving its divine blessing to the Atmakaraka and Moon as the 8th house ruler shows that this soul will learn about itself through death and transformation.

5. Karakamsha- the position of the Atmakaraka in the navamsha. Saturn is placed in Cancer navamsha; therefore the karakamsha is Cancer. Saturn in the 3rd in navamsha is a good position and Saturn is also aspected by the karakamsha lord Moon and the navamsha ascendant ruler Venus.

6. The chart with Atmakaraka as the ascendant. When you turn the chart around to view the planets from Atmakaraka’s point of view, it explains the soul’s desires. This chart’s strength or weakness can change the quality of birth chart. The birth chart reflects the outer conditions of this birth; the Atmakaraka chart shows the obstructions and the support for the soul for fulfilling its duty. Atmakaraka is in Virgo and its lord Mercury is placed in the 9th house from it with the equally auspicious 9th lord, Venus. Sun, Moon and Rahu are in the 10th; Jupiter is in the 2nd house. All these are positive and supporting the soul on its path. Ketu’s position in the 4th house is the difficult one, showing the loss of his mother and the huge psychological effect it has had on William. This loss would have made him closer to his soul and made him differentiate from the real and the unreal desires. (this aspect of the soul can only be analyze but is difficult to confirm in a celebrity chart, but discussion with friends or clients about the effectiveness of the Atmakaraka chart will reveals its impact)

7. The chart with karakamsha as ascendant. Cancer is the Karakamsha, so you turn the rasi chart with Cancer as the ascendant. Here the soul’s sorrows are clearly indicated. The ruler of the karakamsha ascendant Moon is placed in the 12th house from itself. This is a new Moon, so it is considered weak. It is conjunct it’s greatest enemy Rahu, therefore it is further weakened. Moon is placed in Gemini- Moon is a friend of it’s ruler Mercury but Mercury does not like the Moon so this can be a difficult position. On the positive side, the Atmakaraka Saturn is placed in an upachaya house (3rd from the Karakamsha lagna) where it is strong. Venus and Mercury are in another upachaya (11th house) and Jupiter in the 4th house, shows that despite all the problems; he could find inner peace and happiness. But the karakamsha suggests that he can make mistakes where he creates his own losses. With Rahu in the 12th from karakamsha lagna in rasi, he should not allow his desires to overcome his otherwise strong and pragmatic self.


8. The connections between the lagna lord and the Atmakaraka in the ascendant and navamsha. The lagna lord Jupiter is placed in the 11th house and Atmakaraka is in the 10th house. They are in 2/12 house positions from each other. This position shows a lack of understanding between the path of this life and the soul’s desires. Because the lagna lord is placed in the 2nd house from the Atmakaraka, William would be able to profit from life lessons. But he may need to compromise. In the navamsha chart Lagna lord Jupiter and Atmakaraka Saturn are in the 6/8 house position from each other- again showing a conflict within the soul’s desires and the direction this life is taking him. William’s life as a Prince is not what his soul desires, but it is part of his soul experience to learn from it. Maybe he can use the qualities of Saturn to bring about fresh changes in the.

9. The strength of Atmakaraka is to be analyzed in all the varga charts. The position of the Vargesh- the ruler of varga rising sign, Atmakaraka and the rasi lagna ruler. This gives you the information about the soul’s fulfillment in specific areas It is impossible to study all the varga charts but we will study William’s Atmakaraka in the dasamsha chart for his future career indications. Both the lagna lord and the Atmakaraka are placed in the 12th house. This appears at odds with the position of William as the heir apparent of the British monarchy. Therefore it suggests to me that the timing of his birth may not be precise. Lagna lord and Atmakaraka in the12th house in Dasamsha show the rejection of his future role as a Monarch. At present William is showing no sign of doing so, he appears remarkably well adjusted publicly at least to his future role. If you move his birth time behind by 4 minutes to 8:59p.m. Rahu Saturn and Jupiter come into the lagna of the dasamsha, adding strength to the Atmakaraka. This would be powerful indication of William’s strength as the future King of England. Only the future will tell whether Prince William will give up his royal duties or embrace them. My reading is that the 4 minutes earlier time for Prince William’s birth is probably the right one. Even the most perfect birth times like the one of Prince William can be subject to small mistakes. Atmakaraka position in the varga chart can also become a tool for rectification.

10. Dashas and Bhuktis of the Atmakaraka planet can give profound experiences, they usually teach you a life lesson. Willliam was born in the Saturn bhukti of Rahu Dasha, indicating that the soul lessons started at birth. The two most import events of his life so far are directly connected to Saturn Bhukti in Jupiter Dasha. The decree absolute finalising the divorce of William’s parents was given on 28th August 1996 and The Death of his mother Diana - 31st August 97 both took place in Jupiter Dasha/ Saturn Bhukti. The Atmakaraka Saturn gave its most important lessons to him in its Bhukti changing his perception of life forever.



Atmakaraka Worldly Desires Spiritual lesson
Sun success , fame, power, letting go of the ego, humility
Moon happiness, love, satisfaction understanding unhappiness,
Difference between true and false love
Mars passion, victory, adventure conceding defeat, patience,
Unrequited passions,
Mercury intellectual superiority crossing intellectual barriers,
Divine Communication learning to face the truth
Jupiter children, spirituality, tolerating other’s spirituality
wisdom Putting your children before you
For women- imperfect husbands
Venus sex, relationships, luxury accepting relationships the
Sensuality way they are, avoiding excessive behaviour,

controlling sensuality
Saturn Democracy, duty, facing the harsh truths, loneliness
Rahu Achievement, experience disappointments, fears, doubts



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Article: Atmakaraka: the soul significator

Definition:
Karakamsa is composed of two words - (1) 'karaka' referring to the atmakaraka specifically and other charakaraka (temporal signficators) as well and (2) 'amsa' referring to the navamsa and other divisional charts. Karakamsa refers to the navamsa (and/or other divisional charts) where the atmakaraka is placed and such a sign is treated as the karakamsa-lagna or seat of the real self, the soul and the first house for determining all things connected to deep inner desires and creation cause itself.
The sign/navamsa occupied by the ätmakäraka gives us a clue as to the desire of the ätma and the nature of the ätmakäraka gives us vital information about the nature of the ätma, its spiritual development etc. Some of my experiences are listed below:

1. If a malefic planet is the ätmakäraka, it indicates a high level of spiritual development whereas a benefic planet as the ätmakäraka indicates a relatively lower level. Example: Rahu was the ätmakäraka for Srila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhamsa.

2. The ätmakäraka invariably indicates suffering during its Vimsottari dasa, especially if a malefic. During the Näräyana dasa of the sign occupied by the ätmakäraka or those aspecting it, great achievements are made. If the native is spiritually inclined then the dasa of the ätmakäraka can be beneficial.

3. A retrograde ätmakäraka indicates a deep-rooted desire as being the cause of the birth. This has to be seen from the nature of the planet which becomes the AK. For example, if Mars is AK and retrograde, then there is a very strong desire related to succeeding in some battle or competition in this planet and the native will be dragged into innumerable fights and will be fighting all the time. The solution lies in finding the best self defense strategies based on Kärakämsa of which, Ahimsa is the greatest. Similarly, if Saturn is the retrograde AK then the desire would manifest in the native doing something related to the elders or old knowledge in new bottles. When retrograde, this desire is very strong and will be the cause of all direction in life. The other signification of Saturn is sorrow and if the native gives sorrow to others, especially elders and those who are like Guru, then know that he is running a bad time and a lot of sorrow is in his destiny (in any case). The best remedy for him would be to develop a stoic attitude towards the acts and words of others and keep prodding in his path. In this manner, the retrogression is to be understood.

4. Combustion of AK gives spiritual insight.

Planets as ätmakäraka:
1. Sun as AK indicates the native has to learn to overcome his ego and should become humble.
2. Moon as AK indicates that the native should be very caring and compassionate.
3. Mars as AK indicates that the native should refrain from all forms of violence and stick to the path of Ahimsa.
4. Mercury as AK indicates that the native should control his speech and be truthful at all times.
5. Jupiter as AK indicates that the native should always respect the Guru, husband and care for children.
6. Venus as AK indicates that the native must have a very clean character and refrain from illegitimate sex/lust.
7. Saturn as AK indicates that the native cannot give sorrow to others and will have to share the sorrow of many others.
8. Rahu as AK indicates that the native maybe cheated often and will still have to be free from guile and clean hearted.

Ätmakäraka in signs & houses
Jaimini has indicated the results of various navamsa for the placement of AK. Read this carefully and make a list for ready reference.
AK in different houses from Lagnämsa
(Hint: Count the number of signs from AK to navamsa lagna, the number shall indicate the results of the house that shall predominate. check the strength of Karaka of such house; do this exercise both in Rasi and navamsa Chart; Rasi chart results like that of Sri Krishna & other great persons while navamsa for all others.)
1. If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is of noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then the native, although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a king. If the AK aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present from birth. The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to indicate the extent of Rajyoga.
2. If AK is in 2nd house, the native shall be very spiritual and a great saint. If Saturn is strong, the renunciation shall be complete whereas if Venus is strong the native shall perform severe austerities.
3. If AK is in 3rd house, the native shall be rich and successful in many undertakings. He shall be a friend of many powerful people.
4. If AK is in 4th house the native shall be a Karma Yogi. If the Moon and Jupiter are strong, he shall have fame whereas if the Sun is strong Rajyoga and a strong Saturn indicate a hard working person.
5. If AK is in 5th house the native is Dharma Parayana i.e. obeys the laws of his dharma diligently and is straightforward. If Sun is strong, he shall have many good yogas. Blessings of his father shall always protect him.
6. If AK is in 6th house, the native is diseased and troubled. Propitiate as per Saturn or Lord Satya Näräyana, fast on full Moon days and speak the truth OM TAT SAT.
7. If AK is in 7th house, the native is blessed with a clean heart and many joys. If Venus is strong, marriage shall be a great blessing.
8. If AK is in 8th house, the native has many troubles and weaknesses. He is defeated in war. Propitiate as per Saturn or Lord Satya Näräyana, fast on full Moon days and speak the truth OM TAT SAT.
9. If AK is in 9th house, the native is a very pious person and is wealthy and fortunate.
10. If AK is in 10th house, the native is blessed with a clean heart and good home. He shall be a pillar for his family and mother; the Moon in strength shall be an added blessing for this.
11. If AK is in 11th house, the native shall be brave, successful in war and capable of executing any task. If Mars is strong there shall be Rajyoga.
12. If AK is in 12th house the native is very rich and blessed by Lakshmi.



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 Post subject: Re: AtmaKaraka
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:59 pm 
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Pentru a va ajuta sa intelegeti articolele de mai sus iata citeva scurte explicatii.In astrologia vedica corespondente ale nodurilor lunare sint Rahu pentru NN si Ketu pentru NS.Navamsha (D-9) este cea mai importanta astrograma divizionara dupa astrograma de baza (Navamsha se construieste impartind fiecare zodie la 9.Deci daca eu am ,sa zicem, Mercur in Berbec in astrograma natala (Rasi) la 7 grade 19 minute , in Navamsha il gasesc la 5 grade 57 minute in Gemeni (este un exemplu din astrograma mea in sistem vedic) dar nu singura.Din aceste astrograme divizionare (si sint zeci la numar) putem afla diverse informatii (ca de pilda din D-60 aflam Karma din ultima viata).



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 Post subject: Re: AtmaKaraka
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Citeva cuvinte despre atma.Toate fiintele au un spirit egal cu spiritul oricarei alte fiinte (fie el animal,planta,om, semizeu sau chiar mineral),aceea scinteie de la Dumnezeu care poarta denumirea de Atma.Celalalt spirit din noi este atma care este diferit de la fiinta la fiinta.Acest atma individualizat ,altul decit Atma identic din fiecare din noi este produsul alegerilor noastre , a karmei noastre din timpuri imemoriale.Acest atma personal este corespondentul cauza astrogramei natale.AtmaKaraka se refera ,evident,la acest atma individual al fiecaruia dintre noi.



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Buna Marian, mi-am descarcat si eu programelul indicat de tine. La mine apare jupiter ca fiind Atmakaraka. Ce ar indica acest aspect? [astrologia asta vedica este total diferita de cea europeana..ma cam uit crucis la programelul asta.. m-am descurcat cu el doar prin indicatiile date de tine in al topic]


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sheeba wrote:
Buna Marian, mi-am descarcat si eu programelul indicat de tine. La mine apare jupiter ca fiind Atmakaraka. Ce ar indica acest aspect? [astrologia asta vedica este total diferita de cea europeana..ma cam uit crucis la programelul asta.. m-am descurcat cu el doar prin indicatiile date de tine in al topic]

In primul rind semnifica un lucru mai mult decit evident:faptul ca te afli pe un forum de astrologie si ca te intereseaza un aspect spiritual (atmakaraka) este prima indicatie a lui Jupiter ca atmakaraka :D .Ce pot sa iti spun,necunoscind plasamentul lui Jupiter din Rasi si din D-9 ,e faptul ca pentru astrologii indieni mai important decit atmakaraka devine in timp karakamsa (adica zodia din D-9 in care se afla atmakaraka).Evident ca te afli la un nivel in care acumulezi informatie (Jupiter).Te poti afla in plin Adevar in aceasta viata.Din ce am citit,conteaza mult zodia atmakarakai din D-9 si planetele cu care este asociata , dar si eventualele planete in casa a5a sau a9a de la Karakamsa.Am observat ca un plasament al lui Jupiter ca si atmakaraka in Capricorn in D-9 nu e neaparat rau,pentru ca asta arata ca sufletul se orienteaza dinspre cunoastere(Jupiter) inspre aplicarea in viata a principiilor aduse de cunoastere (Saturn).Un plasament foarte bun al planetei atmakaraka este in zodia Pesti in D-9,combinatia aceasta putind sa arate o ultima existenta la nivelul material.



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